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since 2008 but going over the fiscal cliff puts us at peril in terms of lower income and higher regulatory burdens and just the uncertainty. >> brian, sometimes the media gets the blame for scare mongering and i'm going to therefore try to play the other side and the devil's advocate. is there a possibility that this fiscal cliff talk is a y2k moment? in other words, it's not going to be nearly as bad as we think? >> oh, i think that's a possibility. i think maybe there's a little bit of cynicism in the market and a lot of people in the sidelines which is one of the reasons why the vix is as low as it is. compare this to the negotiations surrounding the extension of the debt ceiling back in august of last year. nothing like the turmoil that's been there. i think a lot has already been baked into the cake. i think right nprobably to the extent there's the stage set for further negotiations for a grand bargain to set more permanent parameters on tax and spending policy. >> is there anything that's immune to the fiscal cliff talk, anything you would buy right here? >> well, i would
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